May 11, 2006
All For A Song
Posted by Sean Moores at May 11, 2006 1:28 AMAs you might remember from when our own Stacy Chandler told you about it in February, Paste magazine is conducting a survey to determine the top 100 living songwriters. Up until about a week or two ago, they had a big-ass list of songwriters on their Web site. From said big-ass list, you could vote for 20 (including write-ins). Paste will publish the survey results in its June/July issue, which according to my calculations could be coming out any time in the next month.
Anyway, I wanted to get a feel for what the average music fan thought of this survey. So I asked four people I know, who are co-workers or former co-workers and are dedicated music fans, to take a crack at this ginormous list o' songwriters and give me their top 20. These folks range from their mid-20s to, well, let's just say over 40, so I expected a pretty wide range of responses. And, for the most part, that's what I got. But I found certain patterns, too. So here are the results, which include my ballot. You'll notice there are more than 20 names, on account of the logjam at No. 11. But what do you want from only five people? The number in parentheses is the number of people who voted for each songwriter.
1. Bruce Springsteen (5)
2. Bob Dylan (4)
(tie) Mick Jagger-Keith Richards (4)
(tie) Paul McCartney (4)
5. John Fogerty (3)
(tie) Willie Nelson (3)
(tie) Paul Simon (3)
(tie) Jeff Tweedy (3)
(tie) Lucinda Williams (3)
(tie) Neil Young (3)
11. Chuck Berry (2)
(tie) Eric Clapton (2)
(tie) Guy Clark (2)
(tie) Elvis Costello (2)
(tie) Steve Earle (2)
(tie) John Hiatt (2)
(tie) Brian Holland-Lamont Dozier-Eddie Holland (Motown) (2)
(tie) Kris Kristofferson (2)
(tie) Loretta Lynn (2)
(tie) Tom Petty (2)
(tie) Smokey Robinson-Pete Moore (Motown) (2)
(tie) Jack White (2)
(tie) Brian Wilson (2)
Oh, man, I guess that's a logjam at 11. In hindsight, I would have liked to collect a few more ballots to create distance between the members of the top 20. I'd probably like to go back and delete all those (tie)s, too, but all that deleting would just interrupt my flow.
For the sake of at least partial disclosure, here's my top 20, in alphabetical order:
Chuck Berry
Guy Clark
Elvis Costello
Bob Dylan
Steve Earle
John Fogerty
John Hiatt
Holland-Dozier-Holland
Mick Jagger-Keith Richards
Kris Kristofferson
Lyle Lovett
Paul McCartney
Willie Nelson
Dan Penn-Spooner Oldham
Tom Petty
Paul Simon
Bruce Springsteen
Lucinda Williams
Neil Young
Paul Westerberg
To give some idea of the range, here are the others who got a vote:
Ryan Adams; Fiona Apple; Jackson Browne; David Byrne; Jerry Cantrell; Bruce Cockburn; Rodney Crowell; Ani Difranco; Dennis Drew (10,000 Maniacs); Drive-By Truckers (Patterson Hood, Mike Cooley, Jason Isbell); Jay Farrar; Mary Gauthier; Jay-Z; Elton John-Bernie Taupin; B.B. King; Carole King; Led Zeppelin (Robert Plant, Jimmy Page, John Paul Jones and, though he's dead John Bonham is listed on the ballot); Aimee Mann; James McMurtry; John Mellencamp; Colin Meloy (Decemberists); Pink Floyd (Roger Waters, David Gilmour, Nick Mason, Rick Wright); Pixies; Prince; John Prine; R.E.M.; Robbie Robertson; Billy Joe Shaver; Chris Smither; Ralph Stanley; Cat Stevens; James Taylor; Eddie Vedder-Stone Gossard (Pearl Jam); U2; Rufus Wainwright; Tom Waits.
With such a small sample, my survey obviously is unscientific. Really, though, the whole thing is unscientific. It's subjective, no matter how large the sample. I think still think you can spot a few trends from looking at my meager list:
1. Winnowing down all of the songwriters out there to a top 20 is a frickin' bear. I'm glad it wasn't the top 20 songwriters of all-time. Cripes, the dead guys (and gals) would have been driving me mental. As it was, after completing about my 63rd draft I realized that Brian Wilson wasn't on my list. He probably would have made the 64th, but you gotta draw the line somewhere.
2. Bruce Springsteen's unanimous selection suggests pretty much what you'd figure about him. The Boss (at least the Boss persona) represents Everyman, and as such he appeals to a pretty wide range of listeners.
3. I know at least one person who thinks Bob Dylan isn't one of the top 20 living songwriters. I believe in second chances, so I'm going to try to have a civil discussion of this oversight with the participant, who shall remain nameless. (A little hint for all you un-scientists out there: if you want friends to participate in your surveys, don't out them when you disagree with your opinions.)
4. Lists such as this one tend to favor the folks who have been around for a while. In the agonizing final cut, I had to take Gillian Welch and David Rawlings off my list. Tim Easton is one of my very favorite songwriters, and I think he's going to be around for the long haul, but I just couldn't justify including him ... yet. Even Ryan Adams, with his reputation for being (overly) prolific, garnered only one vote among my participants.
There are some pretty heavy hitters on this list, and I'd be willing to bet that at least 10 of these picks will be in Paste's top 20. No matter who makes the top 100, the list will be a sure-fire argument starter. If you take the time to fill out such a survey, you're bound to have an opinion. I invited my participants to make comments on their sheets for possible use in this post. Here are some of the statements that stuck out in my mind:
Dalton didn't write any comments, or even fill out a sheet. He walked into work with a mix CD containing a song each from his top 20. Actions speak louder than words. As a result, I'm grooving out to Tom Waits' "San Diego Serenade" as I type this sentence.
Speaking of actions, I was walking by Eric's desk and he made a point of showing me that he was furiously scribbling on his sheet. He said, "I can't cross out Natalie Merchant's name hard enough," and wrote, "Robert Buck and Dennis Drew wrote all their [10,000 Maniacs'] good songs – Merchant went out on her own and proceeded to waste her voice."
Sharon had this to say about John Fogerty: "Have you ever changed the channel when a CCR song comes on the radio? If you have, you're an idiot."
Fun, huh?
It appears that it's too late for you to vote in Paste's survey, but it's not too late for you to come up with your own list of the top 20 living songwriters. We all know what we like, but putting it down on paper can force us to articulate, at least in our own minds, why we like what we like. Besides, there are worse ways to spend an evening or two. At least until you reach that 63rd draft.
I don't do "greatest" but I do "my favourite." I don't want to have to consider the relative historical merits, objective levels of influence on others etc. I don't like the Beatles, I don't want them taking up a spot on my roster. I know that's a cop out but ...
Dylan
Springsteen
Randy Newman
Willie Nelson
Kris K
Lucinda
Jagger/Richards
John Hiatt
Dolly
Guy Clark
Stephen Sondheim
Mary Gauthier
Loretta
Tom Russell
Dan Bern
Merle Haggard
Rodney Crowell
Welch/Rawlings
Darrell Scott
Trad.
PaulfeckinMcCartney . You're joking.
Posted by: Francis Xavier Holden at May 11, 2006 6:04 AMARGH! Ryan Adams has got to be in the top twenty! And Tom Waits for that matter. As much as I love Jeff Tweedy, I don't think he deserves a spot up there. And Jack White? I think I'm going to be sick.
Just opinions. Not going to try and back them up.
Posted by: Danny at May 11, 2006 7:44 AMRecently I asked my boss (who has an enormous music collection including everything recorded by Richard Thompson) if he was going to tune into Bob Dylan's show on XM radio. His response: "Bob Dylan is overrated. And I don't like his voice." I'm not a Dylan-cultist but I now have solid grounds to be suspicious of anything boss-man tells me.
Posted by: Margaret at May 11, 2006 10:21 AMJim. Lauderdale.
Even when saddled with Robert Hunter's dorky lyrics, Jim spins melodic gold for the ages. He's comfy in mainstream Nashville, bluegrass, hipster/alt-country, Southern rock, jam bands. He's the real deal.
Gil & Dave top my list of course. "I Dream A Highway" alone does it, or "Wayside/Back in Time." "Revelator." "Annabelle." "One Little Song" should be a folkie standard by now.
Neko Case isn't totally consistent yet, but she's on the way up. "Deep Red Bells," "Star Witness."
Personal favorites are Grant-Lee Phillips, though he's getting sappier as he gets older, and Polly Harvey, at least through 1998. The Handsome Family are Tom Waits-grade songwriters, easy, if not performers.
Posted by: B.Earnest at May 11, 2006 12:38 PMHey all. Interesting post I must say. Thought I'd throw another name out there as a suggestion: Josh Ritter.
His new cd "The Animal Years" is phenomal and given the lists above I think everyone would enjoy the song "Girl in the War". Enjoy!
http://www.joshritter.com/album_animal.shtml
Posted by: Matt at May 11, 2006 1:01 PMI don't like Dylan, and I still didn't have the balls to not list him.
I'm surprised I was the only one of the 5 to list U2. Who else besides the Stones is so talented, so ground-breaking, and still together 25 years later writing relevant albums and conducting sold-out tours? The Boss, whom we were unanimous on, is a huge fan, and he knows a little something about music.
Posted by: Sharon at May 11, 2006 4:04 PMGood Lord, y'all -- anybody ever heard of Dave Alvin??
Posted by: Mark at May 11, 2006 8:24 PMAnd now, for the reason I came here in the first place...
Albany, N.Y. — Universal Music Group Recordings Inc., the world's largest record company, has agreed to pay $12 million to settle a payola case that claimed the company provided vacations, electronics and other bribes to increase radio play for its artists, New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer said Thursday.
The bribes and gifts were used to gain airplay for songs that included records by Nick Lachey, Ashlee Simpson, Brian McKnight, Big Tymers and Lindsay Lohan, Spitzer said.
Anybody still wonder why music on the radio sucks?
Posted by: Mark at May 11, 2006 8:29 PMMusic on mainstream radio sucks because only suckheads are left to listen to it. Everyone with any modicum of taste has abandoned corporate radio for iPods, portable CD players, and even that scraping sound windshield wipers make when the rubber wears off.
I haven't listened to a mainstream radio station for fifteen years. I have a truck and a house full of good music without having to listen to a single car dealership ad. Or Ashlee "Acid Reflux" Simpson.
Best twenty living songwriters? Steve Earle!
Jack White?! That vote is enough to invalidate any ballot. Recount.
Posted by: Aging Hipster at May 12, 2006 11:11 PMwhen I did this a month or two ago I leaned towards people like Gillian Welch and Jeff Tweedy. Even though McCartney and other still walk the earth I wouldn't look at their current out put and classify them as "living".
Posted by: Ron Freeman at May 15, 2006 3:55 PMA greatest songwriter list without Townes Van Zandt getting a single vote? There ain't no justice there. I'd second Mary Gauthier and add Robert Earl Keen and Todd Snider.
Posted by: Polysemous1 at May 16, 2006 4:41 PMIf Townes is alive, I'd like to know where he's been hidin'. With Elvis, mebbe?
Posted by: Jim Pipkin at May 16, 2006 7:29 PMYou know, I just don't get Mary Gauthier. I've heard her play a couple of places, including last year's "televised" AMA awards, and I just didn't get it. Didn't speak to me. What am I missing here?
Posted by: larry at May 16, 2006 9:22 PMAh, I missed the "living" tag. Well, all musicians live on if we're still listenting to them...but I suppose that's a bit trite.
I've got several of Mary Gauthier's records but I've only seen her one time, down in Louisville last fall. I think she's fantastic. She takes very simple rhythms and melody's/finger-picking patterns and applies them in ways that are new...confirming that we don't really "need" more than 3 chords. I also think she is quite interesting lyrically. The song "I Drink" is a masterpiece that convey's so much pain in a simple phrase.
In a different direction I saw Todd Snider (again) last weekend in Bloomington, IN and he was great. Superb storyteller and a fine lyracist who again doesn't need to "do" a lot with a guitar to make music wonderful.
Posted by: Polysemous1 at May 17, 2006 7:41 PM1. Brian Henneman (Bottle Rockets) should be about 1 million places above the Drive By Truckers on any list (especially for songs co-written with Scott Taylor). The person who included DBT on their list should have all their other choices discounted.
2. Randy Newman is in any sensible top 20.
3. Tom Lehrer is still alive iirc.
Posted by: Chris Bertram at May 18, 2006 9:06 AMAnd no-one voted for Ray Davies???
Posted by: Chris Bertram at May 18, 2006 9:11 AM